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Nathan Lambert

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Machine-learning researcher on open language models; writes the Interconnects newsletter and the RLHF Book, after leading post-training at Ai2.

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Open models trail closed ones by only months, and Chinese labs lead the open field

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Since 2024, the leading open-weight AI models have come from Chinese labs rather than American ones.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models The leading open models have all come from Chinese labs since ~2024. Open-Source AI & Open Models Reading Listinterconnects.ai · 11 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    The leading open models have all come from Chinese labs since ~2024.

The performance gap between open and closed AI models has narrowed to roughly 4-6 months.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models The open-closed model gap has reduced in recent years, and is now at roughly 4-6 months. Open-Source AI & Open Models Reading Listinterconnects.ai · 11 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    The open-closed model gap has reduced in recent years, and is now at roughly 4-6 months.

The capabilities gap between open models and the closed models available to users has been decreasing over the last three years.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models The capabilities gap from open to closed models available to users has been decreasing over the last 3 years. The current balance of power in open modelsinterconnects.ai · 21 Sept 2026
    The capabilities gap from open to closed models available to users has been decreasing over the last 3 years.

Frontier Chinese AI labs are moving toward more restrictive licensing terms for their open models.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models Chinese model makers at the frontier, however, are becoming more restrictive Latest open artifacts (#24): Motif-3, GLM-5.3, Hy4-preview and open model licensesinterconnects.ai · 8 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    Chinese model makers at the frontier, however, are becoming more restrictive

Western open-weight models receive significantly more adoption than Chinese models with similar performance-to-size footprints.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models One thing we see again and again at Interconnects through our open model analysis is that Western open-weight models get astonishingly more adoption than Chinese models with the same performance-to-size footprint (even though the Chinese models usually come out first)! Meta shakes up the frontiers, open and closedinterconnects.ai · 17 Oct 2026
    One thing we see again and again at Interconnects through our open model analysis is that Western open-weight models get astonishingly more adoption than Chinese models with the same performance-to-size footprint (even though the Chinese models usually come out first)!

Open models will keep arriving, so safety plans that rely on holding them back achieve little

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Open frontier models will keep being released whether or not anyone wants to stop them, and stopping them would only leave the world less prepared.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models these open models are probably going to keep coming for the time being, whether or not we want to stop them, and stopping them might make it even worse and harder to prepare. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 2:21:25 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    these open models are probably going to keep coming for the time being, whether or not we want to stop them, and stopping them might make it even worse and harder to prepare.

Staged, controlled rollout of a powerful AI model provides little safety benefit once open-weight versions of similar capability are inevitably released.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models At the end of the day, this type of safety barely matters when true open-weights are coming. GLM-5.3: How Chinese labs keep stride with the frontierinterconnects.ai · 14 Aug 2026All korrents from this piece
    At the end of the day, this type of safety barely matters when true open-weights are coming.

The pace at which dangerous AI capabilities spread is set by the least cautious developer, not the most careful one.

Collective action problems

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models The capability diffusion is determined by the lowest common denominator. GLM-5.3: How Chinese labs keep stride with the frontierinterconnects.ai · 14 Aug 2026All korrents from this piece
    The capability diffusion is determined by the lowest common denominator.

The current proponents of open-weight risks are likely to be proven wrong regarding their predictions of substantial new AI harms.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models The leading proponents of this new wave of open-weight fear mongering have effectively been making a falsifiable prediction — that the current open-weight models are going to cause substantial, not seen before AI harms by crippling our cyber infrastructure. Based on all the evidence I have, which I’ve unpacked above, they’re set up to be wrong. The Cyber Risk Discourse is Brokeninterconnects.ai · 6 Oct 2026
    The leading proponents of this new wave of open-weight fear mongering have effectively been making a falsifiable prediction — that the current open-weight models are going to cause substantial, not seen before AI harms by crippling our cyber infrastructure. Based on all the evidence I have, which I’ve unpacked above, they’re set up to be wrong.

Open-weight models are becoming an essential tool for AI diffusion.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models Open-weight models are becoming an essential tool for AI diffusion, and the best path to get ahead of these risks and unbalanced relationships where American companies rely on models built in China is to continue to enable investment in open models in the US. The current balance of power in open modelsinterconnects.ai · 21 Sept 2026
    Open-weight models are becoming an essential tool for AI diffusion, and the best path to get ahead of these risks and unbalanced relationships where American companies rely on models built in China is to continue to enable investment in open models in the US.

Open-source AI has a hard business case, because frontier models cost billions to build

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Open-source AI's future is uncertain because building frontier models is extremely capital-intensive.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models Open-source AI has a tricky future, as building the best models is extremely capital intensive. Teaching Everyone to Fish for Tokensinterconnects.ai · 17 Aug 2026All korrents from this piece
    Open-source AI has a tricky future, as building the best models is extremely capital intensive.

The costs of building true frontier models are now measured in billions per major model, meaning only huge companies can sustain them.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models These models still can get substantial adoption, enough to start growing a business, but the costs of building true frontier models are now measured in billions per major model and only huge companies can sustain that. Meta shakes up the frontiers, open and closedinterconnects.ai · 17 Oct 2026
    These models still can get substantial adoption, enough to start growing a business, but the costs of building true frontier models are now measured in billions per major model and only huge companies can sustain that.

Open models will end up serving a long-tail of specialized uses while closed models retain the most valuable applications.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models open models are still incredibly useful, but fill a long-tail ecosystem relative to the closed counterparts that have monopoly ownership stakes in the most valuable areas like knowledge work collaboration, drug discovery, SWE, etc. Teaching Everyone to Fish for Tokensinterconnects.ai · 17 Aug 2026All korrents from this piece
    open models are still incredibly useful, but fill a long-tail ecosystem relative to the closed counterparts that have monopoly ownership stakes in the most valuable areas like knowledge work collaboration, drug discovery, SWE, etc.

Open-source AI is still an ideological mission rather than an ecosystem, because it has none of the feedback loops that make open-source software compound.

Feedback loops

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models until there are feedback loops of open source AI, it seems like mostly an ideological mission. People like Mark Zuckerberg, which is like America needs this and I agree with him, but in the time where the motivation ideologically is high, we need to capitalize and build this ecosystem around, what benefits do you get from seeing the language model data? DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 4:46:12 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    until there are feedback loops of open source AI, it seems like mostly an ideological mission. People like Mark Zuckerberg, which is like America needs this and I agree with him, but in the time where the motivation ideologically is high, we need to capitalize and build this ecosystem around, what benefits do you get from seeing the language model data?

AI extinction fears are overblown; concrete disasters like cyberattacks are the risks worth debating

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AI takeover is not the thing to worry about: physical constraints bound recursive self-improvement, and humans reliably act once a risk becomes immediate.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models And for that reason, there's physical constraints to things like AGI, like recursive improvement to kill us all type stuff. For the physical reasons and for how humans have figured things out before, I'm not too worried about AI takeover. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 5:02:49 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    And for that reason, there's physical constraints to things like AGI, like recursive improvement to kill us all type stuff. For the physical reasons and for how humans have figured things out before, I'm not too worried about AI takeover.

AI-caused catastrophic extinction risk is negligible, but disasters like critical-infrastructure cyberattacks and bio-risks from AI are real and worth debating.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models I put the probability of complete extinction as being so low it isn't worth discussing, but the probabilities of AI caused disasters - e.g. cyber attacks on critical infrastructure or bio-risks - as being worth debating. One resignation turned the embers of AI fear into a wildfireinterconnects.ai · 10 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    I put the probability of complete extinction as being so low it isn't worth discussing, but the probabilities of AI caused disasters - e.g. cyber attacks on critical infrastructure or bio-risks - as being worth debating.

The rising level of public concern about AI extinction risk is overblown relative to how progress will actually unfold.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models lossy self-improvement remains my baseline on the trajectory of progress, and the increased discussion of extinction risk seems very misplaced Why I still haven’t bought into true RSIinterconnects.ai · 19 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    lossy self-improvement remains my baseline on the trajectory of progress, and the increased discussion of extinction risk seems very misplaced

AI progress costs more and changes daily life less than the hype suggests

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AI scaling laws require exponentially more compute and resources to produce only linear gains in model intelligence.

S-curves and diminishing returns

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models all of our scaling laws show that you need exponential compute and resources to make linear improvements in intelligence. Why I still haven’t bought into true RSIinterconnects.ai · 19 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    all of our scaling laws show that you need exponential compute and resources to make linear improvements in intelligence.

Recursive self-improvement in AI will mainly make existing model capability cheaper rather than raise peak intelligence.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models RSI is poised to make modern LLMs vastly cheaper. Trends that have shown LLMs get exponentially cheaper at a given intelligence are likely to accelerate. Why I still haven’t bought into true RSIinterconnects.ai · 19 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    RSI is poised to make modern LLMs vastly cheaper. Trends that have shown LLMs get exponentially cheaper at a given intelligence are likely to accelerate.

The AI research cycle from idea to experiment will likely soon be 10x faster, but that may not make researchers 10x more productive in the field's net understanding.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models And my kind of statement is that I think the cycle from of having an idea and doing the experimentation to test it, I agree will be 10X faster very soon. But I don’t necessarily agree that I would say that AI researchers will be 10X more productive in net, which I would describe as the pace of the field’s complete understanding. And understanding is a different axis from just continuing to scale models. I think that’s one of my core confusions on the AI research side. Debating RSI, the US-China Gap, and Jaggedness with JS Denain of Epoch AIinterconnects.ai · 22 Sept 2026
    And my kind of statement is that I think the cycle from of having an idea and doing the experimentation to test it, I agree will be 10X faster very soon. But I don’t necessarily agree that I would say that AI researchers will be 10X more productive in net, which I would describe as the pace of the field’s complete understanding. And understanding is a different axis from just continuing to scale models. I think that’s one of my core confusions on the AI research side.

Even after decades of AI-driven progress, most people's daily material lives will look largely unchanged.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models It feels very likely in 50 years that the average American's day to day life looks very similar. When will average people feel AI’s impact?interconnects.ai · 9 Sept 2026All korrents from this piece
    It feels very likely in 50 years that the average American's day to day life looks very similar.

Model quality comes from training choices: data, RL on checkable answers and preference tuning

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Data processing, filtering and quality, not architecture, is the number one determinant of how good a language model turns out.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models And we'll get into the details of the models and again and again as we try to get deeper into how the models were trained, we will say things like the data processing, data filtering data quality is the number one determinant of the model quality. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 0:06:17 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    And we'll get into the details of the models and again and again as we try to get deeper into how the models were trained, we will say things like the data processing, data filtering data quality is the number one determinant of the model quality.

Reasoning is not taught to a model by people: it emerges from reinforcement learning on questions with checkable answers, with no human preference data at all.

Emergence

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models And these reasoning behaviors emerge naturally. So these things like, "Wait, let me see. Wait, let me check this. Oh, that might be a mistake." And they emerge from only having questions and answers. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 2:43:31 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    And these reasoning behaviors emerge naturally. So these things like, "Wait, let me see. Wait, let me check this. Oh, that might be a mistake." And they emerge from only having questions and answers.

Reasoning will generalize the way instruction tuning did: add enough verifiable domains and, at some point nobody can yet locate, the rest start working on their own.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models And the history of NLP and language processing instruction, tuning and tasks per language model used to be like one language model did one task, and then in the instruction tuning literature, there's this point where you start adding more and more tasks together where it just starts to generalize to every task. And we don't know where on this curve we are. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 4:29:46 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    And the history of NLP and language processing instruction, tuning and tasks per language model used to be like one language model did one task, and then in the instruction tuning literature, there's this point where you start adding more and more tasks together where it just starts to generalize to every task. And we don't know where on this curve we are.

RLHF is not a tax on capability: preference tuning also raises maths and code scores, which is why the labs keep reaching for it.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models And the important thing to say is that no matter how you want the model to behave, these RLHF and preference-tuning techniques also improve performance. So, on things like math evals and code evals, there is something innate to these, what is called contrastive loss functions. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 2:39:47 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    And the important thing to say is that no matter how you want the model to behave, these RLHF and preference-tuning techniques also improve performance. So, on things like math evals and code evals, there is something innate to these, what is called contrastive loss functions.

The Bitter Lesson is misread as being about scale; it is about refusing to add human priors, because a clever specific fix always loses to a simple scalable one.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models The scale word gets a lot of attention in this. The interpretation that I use is effectively to avoid adding the human priors to your learning process. And if you read the original essay, this is what it talks about is how researchers will try to come up with clever solutions to their specific problem that might get them small gains in the short term while simply enabling these deep learning systems to work efficiently, and for these bigger problems in the long term might be more likely to scale and continue to drive success. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 0:40:20 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    The scale word gets a lot of attention in this. The interpretation that I use is effectively to avoid adding the human priors to your learning process. And if you read the original essay, this is what it talks about is how researchers will try to come up with clever solutions to their specific problem that might get them small gains in the short term while simply enabling these deep learning systems to work efficiently, and for these bigger problems in the long term might be more likely to scale and continue to drive success.

Humans keep their place in AI as judges rather than authors, because telling which of two answers is better is far easier than writing a good one.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models And humans are actually very good at reading or judging between two things versus... This goes back to the core of what RLHF and preference tuning is that it's hard to generate a good answer for a lot of problems, but it's easy to see which one is better. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 4:35:32 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    And humans are actually very good at reading or judging between two things versus... This goes back to the core of what RLHF and preference tuning is that it's hard to generate a good answer for a lot of problems, but it's easy to see which one is better.

Distilling from other labs' models and borrowing their ideas is normal industry practice, not theft

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Distilling from another lab's model is standard industry practice, not cheating; who you distill from just depends on whether you have products to protect.

Incentives

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models Distillation is standard practice in industry. Whether or not, if you're at a closed lab where you care about terms of service and IP closely, you distill from your own models. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 3:26:04 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    Distillation is standard practice in industry. Whether or not, if you're at a closed lab where you care about terms of service and IP closely, you distill from your own models.

OpenAI's claim that DeepSeek trained on its outputs is narrative management: other startups bootstrapped exactly that way and were never banned for it.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models I think that they're trying to shift the narrative. They're trying to protect themselves. We saw this years ago when ByteDance was actually banned from some OpenAI APIs for training on outputs. There's other AI startups that most people, if you're in the AI culture, were like they just told us they trained on OpenAI outputs and they never got banned. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 3:30:29 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    I think that they're trying to shift the narrative. They're trying to protect themselves. We saw this years ago when ByteDance was actually banned from some OpenAI APIs for training on outputs. There's other AI startups that most people, if you're in the AI culture, were like they just told us they trained on OpenAI outputs and they never got banned.

Stealing AI code and data is hard and stealing ideas is easy, because Silicon Valley already moves ideas legally, inside the heads of the people it hires.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models Code and data is hard, but ideas is easy. Silicon Valley operates on the way that top employees get bought out by other companies for a pay raise, and a large reason why these companies do this is to bring ideas with them. DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters | Lex Fridman Podcast #459youtube.com · 3 Feb 2025 · 3:33:55 into the videoAll korrents from this video
    Code and data is hard, but ideas is easy. Silicon Valley operates on the way that top employees get bought out by other companies for a pay raise, and a large reason why these companies do this is to bring ideas with them.

AI does not yet replace human understanding or the craft of long-form writing

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Using AI agents to do a task does not by itself increase a person's own pace of understanding, intuition, or taste for that work.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models Something intertwined with this story, which I stumbled upon when thinking about agents, is how your pace of understanding won't increase by using agents. I wrote an AI textbook — how long until AI can do it better?interconnects.ai · 12 Aug 2026All korrents from this piece
    Something intertwined with this story, which I stumbled upon when thinking about agents, is how your pace of understanding won't increase by using agents.

The best textbooks will continue to be predominantly written by human hand rather than AI for at least the next several years.

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models So, in 2-5 years I still expect the best textbooks to be heavily crafted by the human hand. I wrote an AI textbook — how long until AI can do it better?interconnects.ai · 12 Aug 2026All korrents from this piece
    So, in 2-5 years I still expect the best textbooks to be heavily crafted by the human hand.

Progress toward AI autonomously solving major open scientific problems requires first mastering the organization and presentation of established knowledge in long-form writing.

Bottlenecks

  1. Nathan Lambert Machine-learning researcher on open language models Models being stagnant in long-form, non-fiction writing should be alarming to those reliant on models autonomously solving grand, open science problems in the near future. I wrote an AI textbook — how long until AI can do it better?interconnects.ai · 12 Aug 2026All korrents from this piece
    Models being stagnant in long-form, non-fiction writing should be alarming to those reliant on models autonomously solving grand, open science problems in the near future.