The climate policy everyone has quietly assumed is that poorer countries stay poor, and that is the wrong answer.

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climate change Warming and what would actually move it: emissions, carbon, and the difference between a gesture and a lever.

On the topicDo we shrink our way out of the climate problem, or grow our way out?under our view: Shrinking output means somebody stays poor, and the arithmetic says who

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Casey Handmer 11 Oct 2023 Physicist, formerly at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory The default climate discourse in recent years has been congruent to an acceptance that curtailing CO2 emissions would require the regrettable but ultimately impersonal de-industrialization and re-impoverishment of most of the world, which is both morally repugnant and politically impossible to achieve without first use of nuclear weapons. Radical Energy Abundancecaseyhandmer.wordpress.com · 11 Oct 2023 All 7 korrents from this piece

Their wordsThe default climate discourse in recent years has been congruent to an acceptance that curtailing CO2 emissions would require the regrettable but ultimately impersonal de-industrialization and re-impoverishment of most of the world, which is both morally repugnant and politically impossible to achieve without first use of nuclear weapons.

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↗Radical Energy Abundancecaseyhandmer.wordpress.com

11 Oct 2023

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Branko Milanovic 18 Nov 2017 Economist specialising in global income inequality From these exchanges I got the impression that they were unaware of just how unequal and poor (yes, poor) the world is today and what would be the trade-offs if we really were to decide to fix the volume of goods and services produced and consumed in the world at the current level. The illusion of “degrowth” in a poor and unequal worldglineq.blogspot.com · 18 Nov 2017 All 5 korrents from this piece

Their wordsFrom these exchanges I got the impression that they were unaware of just how unequal and poor (yes, poor) the world is today and what would be the trade-offs if we really were to decide to fix the volume of goods and services produced and consumed in the world at the current level.

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↗The illusion of “degrowth” in a poor and unequal worldglineq.blogspot.com

18 Nov 2017

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Cheap clean energy has broken the old trade-off between raising living standards and cutting environmental harm.

Handmer and Ritchie both hold that cheap clean energy has broken the old trade-off, and they disagree about what follows. Handmer treats the outcome as an inevitability that the default climate discourse is too pessimistic to see; Ritchie insists in the same breath that it is an opportunity and not an inevitability. Agreement about the fact and disagreement about the modality is the more interesting half.

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