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Everything filed under AI writing AI writing Everything filed under code generation code generation Everything filed under Google Google Everything filed under formal proof formal proof Everything filed under LLMs LLMs Same subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subjectSame subject Read this korrent: There is a permanent trade-off in verification: an expressive language is hard to prove things about, and a language that is easy to prove things about is hard to write in. There is a permanent trade-off inverification: an expressive language ishard to prove things about, and a languagethat is easy to prove things about is hardto write in. Last stated 8 years ago 21 Jan 2019 HW Hillel Wayne — holds since 2019-01-21 — tap for who they are Same subject: The hard part of verification is not proving the code correct but working out what the specification should say. — tap to centre the map on it The hard part of verification is notproving the code correct but workingout what the specification shouldsay. Last stated 8 years ago 21 Jan 2019 HW Hillel Wayne — holds since 2019-01-21 — tap for who they are Same subject: Formal verification is about to become economical, because models are getting good enough at writing the proofs that humans no longer have to. — tap to centre the map on it Formal verification is about tobecome economical, because modelsare getting good enough at writingthe proofs that humans no longerhave to. Last stated 5 months ago 22 Apr 2026 MK Martin Kleppmann — holds since 2026-04-22 — tap for who they are Same subject: AI-written code makes formal proof necessary, because human review of all that generated code becomes the bottleneck. — tap to centre the map on it AI-written code makes formal proofnecessary, because human review ofall that generated code becomes thebottleneck. Last stated 5 months ago 22 Apr 2026 MK Martin Kleppmann — holds since 2026-04-22 — tap for who they are Same subject: Formalisation's real gift is the green check mark — knowing a hard proof is correct before you spend time on it — and every other field would kill for it. — tap to centre the map on it Formalisation's real gift is thegreen check mark — knowing a hardproof is correct before you spendtime on it — and every other fieldwould kill for it. Last stated 2 months ago 30 Jun 2026 GS Grant Sanderson — holds since 2026-06-30 — tap for who they are Same subject: Full formal verification is a waste of money for most software: near-perfect is reachable with ordinary techniques at a fraction of the cost. — tap to centre the map on it Full formal verification is a wasteof money for most software:near-perfect is reachable withordinary techniques at a fraction ofthe cost. Last stated 8 years ago 21 Jan 2019 HW Hillel Wayne — holds since 2019-01-21 — tap for who they are Same subject: Large language models do not reason formally: their performance collapses as a problem is made bigger, in the way a calculator's never does. — tap to centre the map on it Large language models do not reasonformally: their performancecollapses as a problem is madebigger, in the way a calculator'snever does. Last stated 2 years ago 11 Oct 2024 GM Gary Marcus — holds since 2024-10-11 — tap for who they are Same subject: He prefers languages with expressive type systems and has still never noticed them making him more productive or less bug-prone. — tap to centre the map on it He prefers languages with expressivetype systems and has still nevernoticed them making him moreproductive or less bug-prone. Last stated 12 years ago 7 Nov 2014 DL Dan Luu — holds since 2014-11-07 — tap for who they are Same subject: Formal methods are not used everywhere because for most real problems writing down what the function should do is itself a nightmare, and a program that is right ninety-nine per cent of the time is good enough. — tap to centre the map on it Formal methods are not usedeverywhere because for most realproblems writing down what thefunction should do is itself anightmare, and a program that isright ninety-nine per cent of thetime is good enough. Last stated a month ago 29 Jul 2026 HW Hillel Wayne — holds since 2026-07-29 — tap for who they are Same subject: AI acceleration threatens 'less software': without the constraint of scarce hours, even 37signals will likely build too much. — tap to centre the map on it AI acceleration threatens 'lesssoftware': without the constraint ofscarce hours, even 37signals willlikely build too much. Last stated a month ago 26 Jul 2026 DH David Heinemeier Hansson — holds since 2026-07-26 — tap for who they are Same subject: Code and files generated by tools are pollution: hand-writing them is worth the effort because the bloat slows everything down for everyone. — tap to centre the map on it Code and files generated by toolsare pollution: hand-writing them isworth the effort because the bloatslows everything down for everyone. Last stated 7 years ago 15 Oct 2019 DS Derek Sivers — holds since 2019-10-15 — tap for who they are Same subject: Every time software has become easier to create, the world has created exponentially more of it, and this time will be no exception. — tap to centre the map on it Every time software has becomeeasier to create, the world hascreated exponentially more of it,and this time will be no exception. Last stated 3 weeks ago 19 Aug 2026 AO Addy Osmani — holds since 2026-08-19 — tap for who they are Same subject: A stream of AI-written papers with any error rate at all becomes insufferable, because finding the error costs more than the paper is worth even at ninety-nine percent. — tap to centre the map on it A stream of AI-written papers withany error rate at all becomesinsufferable, because finding theerror costs more than the paper isworth even at ninety-nine percent. Last stated 2 months ago 30 Jun 2026 GS Grant Sanderson — holds since 2026-06-30 — tap for who they are Same subject: AI-generated writing tends to repeat the same themes, names, and underlying ideas across different outputs. — tap to centre the map on it AI-generated writing tends to repeatthe same themes, names, andunderlying ideas across differentoutputs. Last stated a week ago 31 Aug 2026 EM Ethan Mollick — holds since 2026-08-31 — tap for who they are Same subject: AI-written prose is an inferior read because a model emits a statistical average -- code's audience is a machine, writing's audience is people. — tap to centre the map on it AI-written prose is an inferior readbecause a model emits a statisticalaverage -- code's audience is amachine, writing's audience ispeople. Last stated 6 days ago 1 Sept 2026 GO Gergely Orosz — holds since 2026-09-01 — tap for who they are Same subject: A company's staff-engineer bar should be set against the best companies in the industry rather than against its own history, which is what makes title inflation a real cost. — tap to centre the map on it A company's staff-engineer barshould be set against the bestcompanies in the industry ratherthan against its own history, whichis what makes title inflation a realcost. Last stated 5 months ago 1 Apr 2026 TP Thuan Pham — holds since 2026-04-01 — tap for who they are Same subject: A crewed rocket cannot be made safe by making the booster reliable, so the only real way to improve safety is to carry an escape system. — tap to centre the map on it A crewed rocket cannot be made safeby making the booster reliable, sothe only real way to improve safetyis to carry an escape system. Last stated 3 years ago 14 Dec 2023 JB Jeff Bezos — holds since 2023-12-14 — tap for who they are Same subject: A monopolist that can no longer grow by winning new users can only grow by making its product worse for the users it already has. — tap to centre the map on it A monopolist that can no longer growby winning new users can only growby making its product worse for theusers it already has. Last stated 3 years ago 28 Jul 2023 CD Cory Doctorow — holds since 2023-07-28 — tap for who they are
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At the centre There is a permanent trade-off in verification: an expressive language is hard to prove things about, and a language that is easy to prove things about is hard to write in. Last stated 21 Jan 2019 · 8 years ago Holds Hillel Wayne Read this korrent →