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The engineer-designer-PM pod ratio was an HR artifact of scaling, not something anyone showed a product needed.

Drawn from what Tom Verrilli said

Subjectdesign
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design How things should be made and judged: what makes a design good, who should do the designing, and what an interface is for.

What Tom Verrilli actually said

  1. Tom Verrilli Chief product officer at the live-shopping marketplace Whatnot
    somewhere along the line this kind of HR ratio of like a pod popped into being. You know, every time you hire six engineers, you add a designer or you add a PM, you add an EM

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    ↗This CPO regrets that product management exists | Tom Verrilli (CPO of Whatnot)youtube.com

    2 Aug 2026 · video · 1h 24m · spoken · machine transcript

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