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formal proof Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Same subject Read this korrent: Engineers are sceptical of formal methods because they were burned by CASE and UML, sold as miracle solutions and imposed on them regardless of fit. Engineers are sceptical of formal methods because they were burned by CASE and UML, sold as miracle solutions and imposed on them regardless of fit. Last stated a month ago
29 Jul 2026
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2026-07-29 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Formal methods are not standard practice even in high-assurance software such as medical devices and aircraft. — tap to centre the map on it Formal methods are not standard practice even in high-assurance software such as medical devices and… Last stated 8 years ago
21 Jan 2019
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2019-01-21 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Formal methods are not used everywhere because for most real problems writing down what the function should do is itself a nightmare, and a program that is right ninety-nine per cent of the time is good enough. — tap to centre the map on it Formal methods are not used everywhere because for most real problems writing down what the function should do is… Last stated a month ago
29 Jul 2026
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2026-07-29 — tap for who they are
Same subject: AI is making formal methods more popular without making them mainstream, moving them from about a tenth of a per cent of engineers to three tenths. — tap to centre the map on it AI is making formal methods more popular without making them mainstream, moving them from about a tenth of a per… Last stated a month ago
29 Jul 2026
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2026-07-29 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Formal methods are a niche tool; property-based testing is the one most engineers should adopt, and stopping there is a fine place to stop. — tap to centre the map on it Formal methods are a niche tool; property-based testing is the one most engineers should adopt, and stopping… Last stated a month ago
29 Jul 2026
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2026-07-29 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Formal verification is about to become economical, because models are getting good enough at writing the proofs that humans no longer have to. — tap to centre the map on it Formal verification is about to become economical, because models are getting good enough at writing the proofs that… Last stated 5 months ago
22 Apr 2026
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Martin Kleppmann — holds since 2026-04-22 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Much of the wisdom programmers pass on to each other is nonsense that nobody ever tested, and refusing to be dogmatic about untested practice is what marks out a good engineer. — tap to centre the map on it Much of the wisdom programmers pass on to each other is nonsense that nobody ever tested, and refusing to be… Last stated 2 weeks ago
26 Aug 2026
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Casey Muratori — holds since 2026-08-26 — tap for who they are
Same subject: The hard part of verification is not proving the code correct but working out what the specification should say. — tap to centre the map on it The hard part of verification is not proving the code correct but working out what the specification should say. Last stated 8 years ago
21 Jan 2019
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2019-01-21 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Software is not less rigorous than traditional engineering; its record-keeping and automated verification are better than most of that field's. — tap to centre the map on it Software is not less rigorous than traditional engineering; its record-keeping and automated verification are… Last stated 6 years ago
20 Jan 2021
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2021-01-20 — tap for who they are
Same subject: AI-written code makes formal proof necessary, because human review of all that generated code becomes the bottleneck. — tap to centre the map on it AI-written code makes formal proof necessary, because human review of all that generated code becomes the bottleneck. Last stated 5 months ago
22 Apr 2026
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Martin Kleppmann — holds since 2026-04-22 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Formalising a proof in Lean currently takes about ten times the effort of writing it out: doable, but annoying. — tap to centre the map on it Formalising a proof in Lean currently takes about ten times the effort of writing it out: doable, but annoying. Last stated a year ago
14 Jun 2025
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Terence Tao — holds since 2025-06-14 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Full formal verification is a waste of money for most software: near-perfect is reachable with ordinary techniques at a fraction of the cost. — tap to centre the map on it Full formal verification is a waste of money for most software: near-perfect is reachable with ordinary… Last stated 8 years ago
21 Jan 2019
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2019-01-21 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A language model is no substitute for a well-specified conventional algorithm, so it cannot simply be dropped into a complex problem and trusted. — tap to centre the map on it A language model is no substitute for a well-specified conventional algorithm, so it cannot simply… Last stated a year ago
7 Jun 2025
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Gary Marcus — holds since 2025-06-07 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A language model is not using language at all, because language requires an intention to communicate. — tap to centre the map on it A language model is not using language at all, because language requires an intention to communicate. Last stated 2 years ago
31 Aug 2024
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Ted Chiang — holds since 2024-08-31 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A language model's apparent mind is mostly our own bias: it predicts text, and leverages our evolved habit of attributing intentionality to anything that acts human. — tap to centre the map on it A language model's apparent mind is mostly our own bias: it predicts text, and leverages our evolved habit of… Last stated 2 years ago
22 Apr 2024
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Sean Carroll — holds since 2024-04-22 — tap for who they are
Same subject: AI acceleration threatens 'less software': without the constraint of scarce hours, even 37signals will likely build too much. — tap to centre the map on it AI acceleration threatens 'less software': without the constraint of scarce hours, even 37signals will likely… Last stated a month ago
26 Jul 2026
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David Heinemeier Hansson — holds since 2026-07-26 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Code and files generated by tools are pollution: hand-writing them is worth the effort because the bloat slows everything down for everyone. — tap to centre the map on it Code and files generated by tools are pollution: hand-writing them is worth the effort because the bloat slows… Last stated 7 years ago
15 Oct 2019
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Derek Sivers — holds since 2019-10-15 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Generators emit thousands of lines where ten would do, and that waste is why people think their phone is slow. — tap to centre the map on it Generators emit thousands of lines where ten would do, and that waste is why people think their phone is slow. Last stated 7 years ago
15 Oct 2019
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Derek Sivers — holds since 2019-10-15 — tap for who they are
At the centre
Engineers are sceptical of formal methods because they were burned by CASE and UML, sold as miracle solutions and imposed on them regardless of fit.
Holds HW Hillel WayneRead this korrent →
Formal methods are not standard practice even in high-assurance software such as medical devices and aircraft.
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Formal methods are not used everywhere because for most real problems writing down what the function should do is itself a nightmare, and a program that is right ninety-nine per cent of the time is good enough.
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
AI is making formal methods more popular without making them mainstream, moving them from about a tenth of a per cent of engineers to three tenths.
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Formal methods are a niche tool; property-based testing is the one most engineers should adopt, and stopping there is a fine place to stop.
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Formal verification is about to become economical, because models are getting good enough at writing the proofs that humans no longer have to.
Holds MK Martin Kleppmann
Much of the wisdom programmers pass on to each other is nonsense that nobody ever tested, and refusing to be dogmatic about untested practice is what marks out a good engineer.
Holds CM Casey Muratori
The hard part of verification is not proving the code correct but working out what the specification should say.
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Software is not less rigorous than traditional engineering; its record-keeping and automated verification are better than most of that field's.
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
AI-written code makes formal proof necessary, because human review of all that generated code becomes the bottleneck.
Holds MK Martin Kleppmann
Formalising a proof in Lean currently takes about ten times the effort of writing it out: doable, but annoying.
Holds TT Terence Tao
Full formal verification is a waste of money for most software: near-perfect is reachable with ordinary techniques at a fraction of the cost.
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
A language model is no substitute for a well-specified conventional algorithm, so it cannot simply be dropped into a complex problem and trusted.
Holds GM Gary Marcus
A language model is not using language at all, because language requires an intention to communicate.
Holds TC Ted Chiang
A language model's apparent mind is mostly our own bias: it predicts text, and leverages our evolved habit of attributing intentionality to anything that acts human.
Holds SC Sean Carroll
AI acceleration threatens 'less software': without the constraint of scarce hours, even 37signals will likely build too much.
Holds
Code and files generated by tools are pollution: hand-writing them is worth the effort because the bloat slows everything down for everyone.
Holds
Generators emit thousands of lines where ten would do, and that waste is why people think their phone is slow.
Holds