Telegram
The messaging platform and the positions its founder has taken about running it.
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- PD
Pavel Durov quoted
Founder of Telegram, and before it of VK
Their wordsNo, never. Telegram has never shared a single private message with anyone, including governments and intelligence services. If you try to access any server in any of the data center locations, it's all encrypted.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 10th of 28 in this recording
- PD
Pavel Durov quoted
Their wordsNo. We designed a system in a way that's impossible. It'll require us to change the system and we won't do that because we made a promise to our users. We would rather shut Telegram down in a certain country than do that.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 11th of 28 in this recording
- PD
Pavel Durov quoted
Their wordsThe investigation itself should have never been started. It's an absurd and harmful way of solving an issue such as complicated as regulating social media. It is just the wrong tool.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 14th of 28 in this recording
- PD
Pavel Durov quoted
Their wordsAnd I would rather lose everything I have than yield to this pressure because, if you submit to this pressure and agree with something that is fundamentally wrong and violates rights of other people as well, you become broken inside, you become a shell of your former self on a deep biological and spiritual level.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 15th of 28 in this recording
- LF
Lex Fridman quoted
AI researcher and host of the Lex Fridman Podcast
Their wordsI think this situation, this historic wrong that’s been done is, put simply, is just a gigantic PR mistake for France. There’s no entrepreneur that sees, that aspires to be the next Pavel Durov to create the next Telegram, sees this and wants to operate in France after seeing this.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 18th of 28 in this recording
- PD
Pavel Durov quoted
Their wordsAt the same time, if you were really paranoid, you think, I don't want to be screenshotted, I don't want to have any leaks, I don't even trust Telegram, I only trust code. Secret Chats are the best option. I believe is the most secure means of communication today.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 19th of 28 in this recording
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Pavel Durov quoted
Their wordsBecause there's no such thing as an unbiased source of information. When the war in Ukraine started in 2022, I instantly realized Telegram is going to be used to spread propaganda by both sides.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 21st of 28 in this recording
- PD
Pavel Durov quoted
Their wordsSo premium is one source of our revenue. We also have ads, but they're context-based, not targeted. Of course, we leave probably 80% of value on the table because we're not ready to engage in all this practices, exploiting personal data.
↗Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482youtube.com 22nd of 28 in this recording
- 13 months earlier
- MM
Mike Masnick quoted
Founder and editor of Techdirt
Their wordsBut, here, it’s hard not to see that as totally pretextual: an excuse to arrest Durov over other stuff they don’t like him doing.
↗Durov’s Arrest Details Released, Leaving More Questions Than Answerstechdirt.com 1st of 4 in this piece
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Mike Masnick quoted
Our readingMost of what Durov is charged with is conduct almost any large platform could be accused of.
Their wordsA lot of the things listed in the charge sheet are things that lots of websites and communications providers could be said to have done themselves, though perhaps to a different degree.
↗Durov’s Arrest Details Released, Leaving More Questions Than Answerstechdirt.com 2nd of 4 in this piece
- MM
Mike Masnick quoted
Their wordsI know from the report that Stanford put out earlier this year that Telegram does not report CSAM to NCMEC at all. That is very stupid. I would imagine Telegram would argue that as a non-US company it doesn’t have to abide by such laws.
↗Durov’s Arrest Details Released, Leaving More Questions Than Answerstechdirt.com 3rd of 4 in this piece
- 1 day earlier
- MG
Matthew Green quoted
Cryptographer and professor at Johns Hopkins University
Their wordsTelegram clearly fails to meet this stronger definition for a simple reason: it does not end-to-end encrypt conversations by default.
↗Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?blog.cryptographyengineering.com 1st of 4 in this piece
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Matthew Green quoted
Our readingAlmost every one-to-one Telegram chat, and every group chat, is readable on Telegram’s own servers.
Their wordsThe practical impact is that the vast majority of one-on-one Telegram conversations — and literally every single group chat — are probably visible on Telegram’s servers, which can see and record the content of all messages sent between users.
↗Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?blog.cryptographyengineering.com 2nd of 4 in this piece
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Matthew Green quoted
Their wordsIndeed, it no longer feels amusing to see the Telegram organization urge people away from default-encrypted messengers, while refusing to implement essential features that would widely encrypt their own users’ messages.
↗Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?blog.cryptographyengineering.com 3rd of 4 in this piece
- 3 months earlier
- SK
Sriram Krishnan quoted
Investor and writer
Our readingPrivate group chats have become the primary venue for the most interesting conversations in tech.
Their wordsMost of the interesting conversations in tech now happen in private group chats: Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal, small invite-only Discord groups.
↗Group chats rule the worldsriramk.com 1st of 3 in this piece