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Read this korrent: People who worked as traditional engineers before moving into software say that software engineering is real engineering.
People who worked as traditional engineers before moving into software say that software engineering is real engineering.
Last stated 6 years ago
18 Jan 2021
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2021-01-18 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Version control is the one thing every traditional engineer wishes their old field had. — tap to centre the map on it
Version control is the one thing every traditional engineer wishes their old field had.
Last stated a month ago
29 Jul 2026
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2026-07-29 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Software engineers behave as though the world exists in the repository, and it does not: the world is production. — tap to centre the map on it
Software engineers behave as though the world exists in the repository, and it does not: the world is production.
Last stated 4 weeks ago
12 Aug 2026
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Charity Majors — holds since 2026-08-12 — tap for who they are
Same subject: The argument about whether programming is engineering is conducted entirely by people who have never worked as engineers. — tap to centre the map on it
The argument about whether programming is engineering is conducted entirely by people who have never worked as…
Last stated 6 years ago
18 Jan 2021
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2021-01-18 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Software developers probably are engineers after all, on the evidence of the people who did both jobs -- though that research was done before LLMs. — tap to centre the map on it
Software developers probably are engineers after all, on the evidence of the people who did both jobs -- though that…
Last stated a month ago
29 Jul 2026
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2026-07-29 — tap for who they are
Same subject: He is a software writer, not a software engineer, and the engineering label flattens what most programmers actually do. — tap to centre the map on it
He is a software writer, not a software engineer, and the engineering label flattens what most programmers actually…
Last stated a year ago
12 Jul 2025
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David Heinemeier Hansson — holds since 2025-07-12 — tap for who they are
Same subject: High consequences cannot be what makes work engineering, because most traditional engineering is low-stakes too. — tap to centre the map on it
High consequences cannot be what makes work engineering, because most traditional engineering is low-stakes too.
Last stated 6 years ago
18 Jan 2021
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Hillel Wayne — holds since 2021-01-18 — tap for who they are
Same subject: The engineering that lives in engineers’ spreadsheets is really baby software, and it should be written as real software, with the testing and integration that implies. — tap to centre the map on it
The engineering that lives in engineers’ spreadsheets is really baby software, and it should be written as real…
Last stated a month ago
28 Jul 2026
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Blake Scholl — holds since 2026-07-28 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Being a decent software engineer plus a genuine expert in one industry is a deadly combination, and engineers are the only people who get to change industries at will. — tap to centre the map on it
Being a decent software engineer plus a genuine expert in one industry is a deadly combination, and engineers are…
Last stated 3 months ago
27 May 2026
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Dax Raad — holds since 2026-05-27 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A language model is no substitute for a well-specified conventional algorithm, so it cannot simply be dropped into a complex problem and trusted. — tap to centre the map on it
A language model is no substitute for a well-specified conventional algorithm, so it cannot simply…
Last stated a year ago
7 Jun 2025
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Gary Marcus — holds since 2025-06-07 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A language model is not using language at all, because language requires an intention to communicate. — tap to centre the map on it
A language model is not using language at all, because language requires an intention to communicate.
Last stated 2 years ago
31 Aug 2024
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Ted Chiang — holds since 2024-08-31 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A language model's apparent mind is mostly our own bias: it predicts text, and leverages our evolved habit of attributing intentionality to anything that acts human. — tap to centre the map on it
A language model's apparent mind is mostly our own bias: it predicts text, and leverages our evolved habit of…
Last stated 2 years ago
22 Apr 2024
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Sean Carroll — holds since 2024-04-22 — tap for who they are
Same subject: AI-written code makes formal proof necessary, because human review of all that generated code becomes the bottleneck. — tap to centre the map on it
AI-written code makes formal proof necessary, because human review of all that generated code becomes the bottleneck.
Last stated 5 months ago
22 Apr 2026
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Martin Kleppmann — holds since 2026-04-22 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Formal verification is about to become economical, because models are getting good enough at writing the proofs that humans no longer have to. — tap to centre the map on it
Formal verification is about to become economical, because models are getting good enough at writing the proofs that…
Last stated 5 months ago
22 Apr 2026
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Martin Kleppmann — holds since 2026-04-22 — tap for who they are
Same subject: Formalising a proof in Lean currently takes about ten times the effort of writing it out: doable, but annoying. — tap to centre the map on it
Formalising a proof in Lean currently takes about ten times the effort of writing it out: doable, but annoying.
Last stated a year ago
14 Jun 2025
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Terence Tao — holds since 2025-06-14 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A plain text file and a basic editor are everything anyone needs in order to think and write well; the extra tools add nothing. — tap to centre the map on it
A plain text file and a basic editor are everything anyone needs in order to think and write well; the extra tools…
Last stated 5 years ago
2 Mar 2022
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Derek Sivers — holds since 2022-03-02 — tap for who they are
Same subject: A sentence that cannot justify a line of its own should be deleted. — tap to centre the map on it
A sentence that cannot justify a line of its own should be deleted.
Last stated 4 years ago
20 Jun 2022
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Derek Sivers — holds since 2022-06-20 — tap for who they are
Same subject: AI-written prose is an inferior read because a model emits a statistical average -- code's audience is a machine, writing's audience is people. — tap to centre the map on it
AI-written prose is an inferior read because a model emits a statistical average -- code's audience is a machine…
Last stated 6 days ago
1 Sept 2026
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Gergely Orosz — holds since 2026-09-01 — tap for who they are
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People who worked as traditional engineers before moving into software say that software engineering is real engineering.
Last stated 18 Jan 2021 · 6 years ago
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
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Version control is the one thing every traditional engineer wishes their old field had.
Last stated 29 Jul 2026 · a month ago
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Similar wording
Software engineers behave as though the world exists in the repository, and it does not: the world is production.
Last stated 12 Aug 2026 · 4 weeks ago
Holds CM Charity Majors
Similar wording
The argument about whether programming is engineering is conducted entirely by people who have never worked as engineers.
Last stated 18 Jan 2021 · 6 years ago
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Similar wording
Software developers probably are engineers after all, on the evidence of the people who did both jobs -- though that research was done before LLMs.
Last stated 29 Jul 2026 · a month ago
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Similar wording
He is a software writer, not a software engineer, and the engineering label flattens what most programmers actually do.
Last stated 12 Jul 2025 · a year ago
Holds David Heinemeier Hansson
Similar wording
High consequences cannot be what makes work engineering, because most traditional engineering is low-stakes too.
Last stated 18 Jan 2021 · 6 years ago
Holds HW Hillel Wayne
Similar wording
The engineering that lives in engineers’ spreadsheets is really baby software, and it should be written as real software, with the testing and integration that implies.
Last stated 28 Jul 2026 · a month ago
Holds BS Blake Scholl
Similar wording
Being a decent software engineer plus a genuine expert in one industry is a deadly combination, and engineers are the only people who get to change industries at will.
Last stated 27 May 2026 · 3 months ago
Holds Dax Raad
Same subject: LLMs
A language model is no substitute for a well-specified conventional algorithm, so it cannot simply be dropped into a complex problem and trusted.
Last stated 7 Jun 2025 · a year ago
Holds GM Gary Marcus
Same subject: LLMs
A language model is not using language at all, because language requires an intention to communicate.
Last stated 31 Aug 2024 · 2 years ago
Holds TC Ted Chiang
Same subject: LLMs
A language model's apparent mind is mostly our own bias: it predicts text, and leverages our evolved habit of attributing intentionality to anything that acts human.
Last stated 22 Apr 2024 · 2 years ago
Holds SC Sean Carroll
Same subject: formal proof
AI-written code makes formal proof necessary, because human review of all that generated code becomes the bottleneck.
Last stated 22 Apr 2026 · 5 months ago
Holds MK Martin Kleppmann
Same subject: formal proof
Formal verification is about to become economical, because models are getting good enough at writing the proofs that humans no longer have to.
Last stated 22 Apr 2026 · 5 months ago
Holds MK Martin Kleppmann
Same subject: formal proof
Formalising a proof in Lean currently takes about ten times the effort of writing it out: doable, but annoying.
Last stated 14 Jun 2025 · a year ago
Holds TT Terence Tao
Same subject: writing
A plain text file and a basic editor are everything anyone needs in order to think and write well; the extra tools add nothing.
Last stated 2 Mar 2022 · 5 years ago
Holds Derek Sivers
Same subject: writing
A sentence that cannot justify a line of its own should be deleted.
Last stated 20 Jun 2022 · 4 years ago
Holds Derek Sivers
Same subject: writing
AI-written prose is an inferior read because a model emits a statistical average -- code's audience is a machine, writing's audience is people.
Last stated 1 Sept 2026 · 6 days ago
Holds Gergely Orosz