Computers, TVs and phones are badly designed for people because they keep us sitting still, and the human experience is a physical one.

But they're fundamentally like you're sitting, you're still. I mean, people are just not meant to be that way. I mean, I think you and I have this shared passion for sports and martial arts and doing stuff like that. We're just moving around. It's so much of what makes us people is like, you move around. You're not just like a brain and a tank. It's where the human experience is a physical one.