Shrinking below today's leading edge is still reachable, but it will be so expensive and difficult that no company can do it alone.

So I think I can see you know, right now we have 18A and then now we do going to production of 14A. I can see 10 and 7. And so I think that path I think we can get there, but going to be more and more expensive and more difficult to do. And that's why we need partners. We cannot just do it ourselves alone.