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Their wordsWhat models do in general is they make yesterday's human competence cheap. And so, it becomes commoditized. It's not valuable anymore. What humans do is we go in there and we're like, "Yeah, we have all this frozen human competence from yesterday. How do I use this like make something new and interesting?"
Their wordsIt's going to bifurcate in two main ways. One is everyone's going to have at least one agent that they talk to, that they can offload work to.
Their wordsThe second is that most of the work that you do is actually going to happen on your computer in an environment like Codex or Cloud Co-work that becomes the sort of operating system for it becomes the sort of operating system for how how you do all of your work, whether that's your email, the documents you create, like all that kind of stuff.
Their wordsAnd I have completely flipped. And I I really think that uh the the model for now is going to be a super agent, like one agent for the entire company.
Their wordsin order for an AI agent to be useful right now, it really needs a human who cares about it. It really needs it like a human personal connection with someone who's like watching what it does and make sure that it's doing the right thing and that it's useful for people.
Their wordsAnd I think that Cursor has at least so far more distinctly chosen a lane. Like they're more distinctly choosing to be a for programmers. And that may limit how far they get in here.
Their wordsAnd I really do think that two agents are better than one. So, what's a good example? When I have Codex interact with another agent, it can give so much more context about me and what I want than I would be able to type.
Their wordsAutomation is a lie. Um in the sense that every time you automate something, in order to make sure the automation is working well, you need a human on top of it like making sure that it's working well.
Their wordsGPT 5.5 is the only model though that has the sense of agency and confidence to just like rip out old code and just like actually rewrite from first principles.
Their wordsHere's a prediction. I'm pretty sure every coding model on the market will still do this in a year. Every coding model on the market will take that instruction seriously.
Their wordsAnd so I think it's it's really important uh when when we think about benchmark progress to think about it from that perspective, which is benchmarks rise on problems that we've framed that we can articulate, that we can score. And there's a lot of work that's human work that uh it it can't be scored until you write it down
Their wordsAnd the thing that is becoming really clear is the whole forward deployed engineer concept I think is for real. And it comes out of every agent needs a human.
Their wordsBut the coding models have gotten good enough that he can pair the kind of the technical knowledge he does have with his really spiky product sense and sense for writing and sense for users.
Their wordsAnd what you see when we work with them internally is now they're just like they're just making pull pull requests. Like they don't they don't need to hand it off as much. Sometimes they do but like a lot of times they just make pull requests and it's like the thing is built and that's it and I think that's incredible for the way that companies work
Their wordsAnd I think that is actually super important. Um the only thing you need to do is ride the models. And that means use them for whatever it is that you do.
Their wordsI think people think of the edge of AI as being in San Francisco. And I actually don't think that that's where it is. I think the edge of AI is wherever AI meets like a real human doing something.